Exhaust research - FYI
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Love that roush setup
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It makes sense that modern kit car parts suppliers would have the headers optimized
for the HO cam. So going back to it our sequence is right bank 1-7-6-4 and left bank 3-2-5-8. So on the left either 1 and 4 is the cross over pipes or 7 and 6 is and for the left bank either 3 and 2 is the cross over or 5 and 8 is. So looking at the photos - the Roush looks to me that 4 is staying so 7-6 must be coming from the other side hence 2 and 3 are crossing over.
I tried to find an original mk1 GT40 engine picture but it is hard to a close shot
![Image](http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bne2dFoA1rz99jgo9_r1_1280.jpg)
and
![Image](http://www.carbuildindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/4138.jpg)
Hard to tell.
for the HO cam. So going back to it our sequence is right bank 1-7-6-4 and left bank 3-2-5-8. So on the left either 1 and 4 is the cross over pipes or 7 and 6 is and for the left bank either 3 and 2 is the cross over or 5 and 8 is. So looking at the photos - the Roush looks to me that 4 is staying so 7-6 must be coming from the other side hence 2 and 3 are crossing over.
I tried to find an original mk1 GT40 engine picture but it is hard to a close shot
![Image](http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6bne2dFoA1rz99jgo9_r1_1280.jpg)
and
![Image](http://www.carbuildindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/4138.jpg)
Hard to tell.
I will someday think of something clever to say.
Re: Exhaust research - FYI
Found a good pic of one of the original cars. Story here .....
http://www.sportscardigest.com/cars-for ... prototype/
Exhaust setup ......
![Image](http://i0.wp.com/www.sportscardigest.com/cars-for-sale/wp-content/uploads/GT405.jpg?resize=610%2C405)
Now to compare with the other pics to see if it is a HO type cam .......![:popcorn:](//cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/twitter/twemoji@latest/assets/svg/1f37f.svg)
http://www.sportscardigest.com/cars-for ... prototype/
Exhaust setup ......
![Image](http://i0.wp.com/www.sportscardigest.com/cars-for-sale/wp-content/uploads/GT405.jpg?resize=610%2C405)
Now to compare with the other pics to see if it is a HO type cam .......
Kerry
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
Re: Exhaust research - FYI
After checking the 2 pics the above photo shows the early cam IMO
Kerry
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
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The whole car would be a dream build for me 2nd to a Daytona Coupe ........hybrid wrote:Love that roush setup
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Kerry
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
Re: Exhaust research - FYI
The above pic looks like 3 & 7 were swapped
Kerry
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
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Damn, I should not have had beers before looking at your can of worms.
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I have drafted a spreadsheet off the back of some further reading that uses math magic to suggest the correct primary pipe diameter for a header based on peak torque rpm (ie max volumetric efficiency) and internal cross sectional area of the pipe.
If someone has access to a site that suggests the harmonic length of a motor I could build this into the sheet. This would provide the pipe dia and primary tube length for an exhaust.
Cheers Jacko
If someone has access to a site that suggests the harmonic length of a motor I could build this into the sheet. This would provide the pipe dia and primary tube length for an exhaust.
Cheers Jacko
'68 J-code GT Fastback
'67 S-code GT coupe, 'Pink Bitz' formerly known as 'Hookin' up a brother'
'69 M_____ GTS Fastback 'Blasted'
'67 S-code GT coupe, 'Pink Bitz' formerly known as 'Hookin' up a brother'
'69 M_____ GTS Fastback 'Blasted'
Re: Exhaust research - FYI
It is hard to tell. So I will look at it again tomorrow.
Jacko - lots of different formula around so I am interested in which one or more you have selected. Here are two:
Lin. = (850 x (180 + EVO) ÷ rpm) – 3
Dia.in. = SQRT[(vol. x 16.38) ÷ ((L + 3) x 25)] x 2.1
Where:
L = primary pipe length
EVO = exhaust valve opening point from cam card or internet
vol. = volume of a single cylinder
Dia. = calculated primary tube diameter
I have many from simple to complex.
Jacko - lots of different formula around so I am interested in which one or more you have selected. Here are two:
Lin. = (850 x (180 + EVO) ÷ rpm) – 3
Dia.in. = SQRT[(vol. x 16.38) ÷ ((L + 3) x 25)] x 2.1
Where:
L = primary pipe length
EVO = exhaust valve opening point from cam card or internet
vol. = volume of a single cylinder
Dia. = calculated primary tube diameter
I have many from simple to complex.
Last edited by boofhead on Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:07 am, edited 3 times in total.
I will someday think of something clever to say.
Re: Exhaust research - FYI
So assuming it is expected that the original firing order - so we can so both 3 and 7 cross over. So if early then with 3 crossing over then 2 must also cross over and with 7 also 6 needs to cross over. I can accept 6 crossing over and 8 stays so indeed early firing order.
Last edited by boofhead on Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:54 am, edited 1 time in total.
I will someday think of something clever to say.
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#4 at the 66 Le Mans was a 427 car, Driven by Mark Donohue (New jersey USA) & Paul Hawkins (Melbourne Aust) & preped by Holman & Moody.boofhead wrote:
Kerry
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
To our wives and sweethearts. May they never meet
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Seeing as I'm about to have a system "built" for my notchback.
Would there be a benefit for a road car in these types of exhaust mods?
Is it worth letting Boof loose in the design stage 😳
Cheers
J
Would there be a benefit for a road car in these types of exhaust mods?
Is it worth letting Boof loose in the design stage 😳
Cheers
J
I love big birds - I cannot lie...
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in a word- Yes
'68 J-code GT Fastback
'67 S-code GT coupe, 'Pink Bitz' formerly known as 'Hookin' up a brother'
'69 M_____ GTS Fastback 'Blasted'
'67 S-code GT coupe, 'Pink Bitz' formerly known as 'Hookin' up a brother'
'69 M_____ GTS Fastback 'Blasted'
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Is SP taking down to the local exhaust guy and having it custom built?Astroboy65 wrote:Seeing as I'm about to have a system "built" for my notchback.
Would there be a benefit for a road car in these types of exhaust mods?
Is it worth letting Boof loose in the design stage 😳
Cheers
J
I assume the JBA headers are still being used?
I am happy to do a few calcs for you and send the results onto you.
I will someday think of something clever to say.
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Yes and Yes.
Gav is away for the next week so will probably be going in a fortnight or so.
J
Gav is away for the next week so will probably be going in a fortnight or so.
J
I love big birds - I cannot lie...